Tech Exec Wellness Podcast: Conversations to Reignite Your Soul
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Tech Exec Wellness Podcast: Conversations to Reignite Your Soul
Ep. 16: Go Outside & Play
Swinging at the park isn't just for kids, and neither is the pure joy that comes with it. Lisa, in her eye-opening article "Go Outside and Play," invites us to reconnect with that childlike sense of wonder—and we take that invitation to heart. This episode is a heartfelt journey through the power of play, where we reminisce about the bliss of childhood pastimes and how these activities can become our secret weapons against adult stress.
From the stress relief found in the rhythm of a swing to the therapy of a gym session, this conversation covers the unexpected places where joy can blossom in our adult lives. I open up about the highs and lows of my fitness journey, body image, and how a bouncy house can be a source of pure happiness even in the toughest times. We explore the importance of unplugging from the digital world and how physical play can not only improve our mental health but transform our daily routines into something we eagerly anticipate.
Wrapping up, we share practical tips on how to infuse joy into mundane tasks, like turning up the beat while doing household chores, and managing distractions with the right background noise. And for those who sometimes avoid joy, preferring shared misery, we discuss why embracing those instances of utter nonsense is vital for a well-balanced life. Lisa's insights, rich with both depth and practicality, remind us that seeking out moments of carefree playfulness is not just for kids—it's a necessity for us all. So, go ahead, give yourself permission to play and find joy every single day.
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Welcome back to another episode of the Tech Exec Wellness Podcast. I'm Erica, I'm Lisa, so today, Lisa and I are going to talk about an article she wrote. It's the basis of our conversation today, but it's a really good topic. Lisa, you wrote an article titled Go Outside and Play and it's about basically, you know, becoming a kid again. I want you to share with our listeners what started that article, the thought of it and why you wrote it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I live in a great neighborhood and there's all kinds of walking trails and we have this park and one day I was just in a mood, just in a I was having a bad day and was taking a walk just to kind of clear my head, and I walked up to the park and I just decided to get on the swings. Whenever I was a kid I loved playing on the swings and I just thought you know, whatever, why not? So I did and it was so much fun. I actually told Melissa about it.
Speaker 2:We started sneaking away during the day and going and playing on the swings and one day my neighbor texted was like I've had a horrible day. You want to go for a walk? I got to decompress. I'm like, yeah, you know, let's go. So I told her about my little playground secret and so we had so much fun and every day last summer she would text me and just say you want to go play? Because it was just so much fun and such a stress reliever and I can't even describe how joyful it is as a grown-up to go and do something fun like we used to do as kids.
Speaker 1:I remember when I was a kid my parents would have to tell us to come in because it was too dark. We were talking about this right before the show. You have to force your kids outside, and going to a playground just seems so foreign to them. I have personally not been to a playground in years, but I did take one of my dogs there a couple of years ago and put my dog, my daughter's dog, the English Bulldog, put her on the swing and I was pushing her and she just had so much joy. And as I was just listening to you talk, I really don't find joy in a lot of things that I do. Not that I'm a sad person, but I feel like I need to do something like that and get back out there and, you know, be a kid again, because we're adults all day. We're, you know, stressed, we're scheduled, we're working, whatever the case is, I can't even imagine how much stress relief that would be.
Speaker 2:It's such a stress relief. And you're right, even the stuff we do that's supposed to be fun is not joyful, and I think there's a difference between joy and fun. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. Like going to Topgolf with my clients or, like you know, my kids wanted to take me there for my birthday. That was fun. Did I enjoy it? Yes, Did it bring me peace? I don't have interest as an adult. For example, Odin, my partner's American bulldog, you give them a box. Or like a cardboard paper towel roll and that is like the best thing ever. Me I would just rip it up and throw it away and I'm like, eh, you know, and it's like I watch cats, they get so much joy like jumping into boxes and I'm like I need to find that joy again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Well, like Samson, my bulldog, he gets joy just from going outside and going for a walk and walking through mud. If there's a puddle, that dog will find a way to walk through it and I swear he does it just because it's fun. Yeah, jojo, my French bulldog, I used to get the biggest kick out of her in Illinois when we lived there. We actually had some bricks along the fence line to keep rabbits out, and I would get the biggest kick out of her because she would always go and walk on top of those bricks. And I assume she did it just because it was fun, you know, and so I try to do things like that. If I see something that's fun, I'm going to do it.
Speaker 2:It's funny, the kids there are always kids at this park One little, I guess, equipment that we love. It's called a track ride. It's almost like a zip line, it's like a seat and you pull it back and it just slides down this cable so you go like really fast, you know, from one platform to another. Recently there's like kids lined up to use it and I'm like dang kids, that's mine, you know. That's right, that's what I use. You better go find something else.
Speaker 1:What do you feel in that moment for our listeners? Since I haven't done this, I do actually have some other things that I'll talk about that are joyful versus fun. In those moments when you're at the park or doing whatever, what do you feel? Is it like relief, or do you just have so much happiness you can't explain it. Talk about that. Do you just have so much?
Speaker 2:happiness. You can't explain it. Talk about that. It's exhilaration. It's that belly flip of just a smile on your face, just joy, it's just fun, it's just flying through the air, not a care in the world.
Speaker 1:Exhilaration, do you notice how hard it is to kind of describe that joy, because as adults we lose that. You know I mentioned to you before the show. They always say that like babies are open minded and can see spirits, but as you get older you become more closed minded. So it's kind of like the same thing, right, you just lose it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you know, my mom used to always tell me you're not interested in anything but nonsense. If it's nonsense, you're all about it, and that's like the best part of my personality, I think, because I'm always seeking fun. Yeah, it is something that, as adults, you tap down. Whenever I went to the park the first time and got on the swings by myself, I was self-conscious. Here I am, a grown woman playing on a swing. You know this is weird. But then I'm like well, you know what? Too bad. I paid for this swing with my tax dollars, just like everybody else.
Speaker 1:I'm going to use it and I was going to ask you if they were judgmental like the parents, especially no no, honestly no.
Speaker 2:A few weeks ago we were walking up to the park and I saw a woman on an electric scooter just riding it down the big hill, laughing so hard because it was just fun. She was like, yeah, I took it from my son. You know, I wanted to do it too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, in the town I live in they have you can rent them. They're called Bird and they're like you stand on them, they're electric scooters and they have them all over Colorado and you download the app, you rent them and then it just keeps refilling until the battery runs out. I did that with my kids two years ago and we zipped all around town. There's areas you can't go in because they keep it in a radius, but like Denver, colorado Springs, pueblo, they have these electronic scooters and they go like 40 miles per hour. So you have to be careful that you don't hit like a bump and fall off of it, because, as an adult, that's what I worry about. My kids they're, you know, they're a little bit older, but they don't worry about stuff like that. But that was literally something that I could say was joyful versus fun. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love it. I take any excuse I can to just to get outside, to go for a walk and to to go play. Yeah, and the plane on a swing is is actually a good workout. After doing it for a couple of days in a row, I noticed that my abs are sore, like my biceps are sore. My legs are sore. You don't realize all the muscles kids use.
Speaker 1:And that's what's crazy. As adults we don't use them, especially, you know, in the cyber tech space or sales. You know you're a sales leader, you've done some practitioner work, you sit a lot, yeah, and it's amazing to me that something that that you would not think would use your body muscles. You use so many muscles and you know I'm a previous competitive bodybuilder and I work out all the time, but I'll tell you, I hate doing ab workouts. I think I'm gonna actually go to the swings.
Speaker 2:Instead. Well, I mean, you think about it when you you're on the swing, like you're leaning back and then you're sitting up. It's like a modified sit up. You're using your arms to pull yourself up.
Speaker 1:True, true, and the zip line piece that you're talking about, that's upper body strength, right, because you're like oh no, you sit in a seat, you sit in a seat.
Speaker 2:So there's no muscles used to that except to just hold on. But yeah, the swing swinging is definitely. You feel it as a grown up. For sure you feel it the next day.
Speaker 1:Interesting. You know I was talking to Melissa and, as you know, lisa, the American Bulldog, odin, that I mentioned, I take them on car rides and then we go for walks. Well, I always say to myself I wish I had the amount of joy that Odin has just to get in the car and then stand up on the center council like he's in charge and on high alert and then when he gets tired he just lays his chest down on the center council and just lets his little short feet dangle, because he's a short American bulldog with a huge chest and head and he just lays down and his feet just dangle. And I have tons of pictures that I'll put on the website eventually. The joy in his face, I you know, and just the happiness.
Speaker 1:I always say to myself I wish I had that much joy, but I can do that. You're saying that you found something in the park. You know, maybe for me it's just rollerblading. I used to love rollerblading. It doesn't have to be a playground. What are some other things that adults can do to find that joy again? What are your thoughts?
Speaker 2:I say whatever you did as a kid. Well, I mean kids now all they do is play video games. But whatever play you did as a kid, I think you can still find that as a grown-up. Yeah, yeah, I always loved playing on swings. I played on every piece of equipment at that playground. I will say I mean I grew up in the eighties, so the playground equipment is a little little safer now, which is kind of lame. You know, there's not.
Speaker 1:It's lame. I remember we probably would have busted our heads open on some of that playground equipment.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, oh, of course, and like we were talking about earlier, whenever I was a kid it was nothing to like be on the swing and jump off. I would never do that now. First of all, it would hurt and second, I can't even remember the last time I did something like that. It's amazing the caution you get as a grown up.
Speaker 1:That's a great point, Because as you get older you become more conscious and I don't want to say uptight, but as a kid, jumping off the swings, jumping off the top of the slide that you're jumping down or you know, just doing some of the things we did as kids we would never do as adults. Like I always tell people, I will do anything physical that doesn't allow me to get an injury that prevents me from working out, Because, as a previous competitor and somebody who weight lifts, I'm always thinking about, like, if I break my arm or my toe or whatever, I cannot go to the gym. So in my opinion that pulls away from potential joy that I could be having. You know, going to the park or rollerblading. I'm terrified to rollerblade because I'm terrified to fall.
Speaker 2:I guarantee you, if I roll better right now, I would fall 20 times. I mean, I just would. I know I would. The last time I went rollerblading I spent more time on the ground than I did standing up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my oldest daughter invited me to go roller skating at the roller rink and I used to do that as a kid. I was really good, I could backwards skate. I was like one of those cool people, right, I thought I was cool and I was like no way am I getting on a roller skating ring at this point in my life because I will fall and, like you know, hurt myself and then for me it would be catastrophic, because if I can't go to the gym, that's to me, that's catastrophic. But I remember I used to go every Friday night and go to the roller rink and just not care not care.
Speaker 2:But now, do you get joy from going to the gym or what gives you that dedication to to do that? Because I don't get joy from going to the gym. I have to have fun doing a workout, or I'm not going to do it. The last episode we talked about boxing. That's a workout that I actually have fun doing, but yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So that's a good question, because there it ebbs and flows Right. So a lot of people ask me why I'm not a personal trainer on the side or full time. And I tell them because I don't want to end up hating the gym because I will hate it because it's like work, you know. So the gym for me was really a savior in a sense.
Speaker 1:I was always thin, but after my second child I was really overweight, end up losing weight and then was too skinny. So I found a personal trainer and then started working out and then that's how I got into competing. Well, competing gave me body dysmorphia. I look in the mirror because you get on stage to compete and you're the leanest you've ever been and you look the best you've ever looked. And then after the show you have to gain weight because it's unhealthy to stay lean the way you are as a competitor to get on stage so that you get this body dysmorphia.
Speaker 1:So for a long time I ended up not finding joy when I stopped competing, and this was before I met my current partner. My current partner is a pro bodybuilder but he works full time but he's been bodybuilding forever. When I met him I started loving the gym again, and that was 2018. So started lifting in 2012, went into competing, struggled a lot and then in 2018, when I found him, I started loving it again.
Speaker 1:But there's times where it's like a chore and that's something that I have to get over, because for me, the gym is really like a therapy and also, you know, I come from a family of alcoholism and addicts and I was an addict when I was you, I was a teenager and going into my 20s and whatnot. It keeps me from falling back into that life and also keeps me accountable and keeps me on track. When COVID hit, that was really difficult for me because we couldn't go to the gym. I did have a gym in my basement, but it wasn't the same. So I struggled from 2020 to about 2022, like trying to find myself and that joy again. And now I finally have that joy again and I have results and it's really hard for me to say that that brings me joy. It's really more of like a therapy. Yeah, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2:That's like walking or running for me. I wouldn't call it joyful as peaceful.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. Something joyful that I did within the last two years was I was at a my friend's kid's birthday party and they had the big bouncy house. I got in there and, unfortunately, because I'm heavier than most of the kids that were in there, I was bouncing them really high and they start to cry. But I don't find joy in that. But I had to calm down because I had so much fun jumping and doing flips, because I used to be a swimmer and I used to do cheer, so I'm a natural athlete. And I had to realize like, okay, there's like 50 pound kids in here and I'm, like you know, 155 pounds at five eight. So I have to realize that I can't bounce these kids because they went and told on me. But that wasn't the joyful part. The joyful part was just jumping and being free.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. I don't know if it's the belly flip or what it is, but that's part of it. Is that freedom?
Speaker 1:You know it right there bad for the people. So what would you say? Since you wrote this article and you're kind of introducing this, you reintroduced it to me for sure. What would be some other things that you know as an adult? You can. I know you said to try to figure out what you did as a kid, but how do you find the time to do it?
Speaker 2:You make time instead of scrolling on TikTok. Get outside, or I spend very little time on. I never go on Instagram, I never go on Facebook. I mean I'll scroll a little bit on TikTok, but most of the time I'm not on any social media. When you think about that, that's a big time suck, Yep. You'd schedule it like any self-care.
Speaker 1:Yes, I will get up in the morning. Yeah, I try not to get on my phone, but somebody will send me a TikTok or a reel and I can find myself just scrolling and wasting so much time.
Speaker 2:Yeah it's amazing how those devices they make our lives so much easier, but they really do cut the human interaction. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And the Gen Z and the Gen Alphas, you know, and even the millennials, the younger generations. We've definitely struggled with that because, like the Gen Zs, they've grown up on technology, ipads and whatever. It is so time consuming and we work in the technology field. And it's not that I'm anti-tech, it's we really need to disconnect, and it's not that I'm anti-tech it's we really need to disconnect.
Speaker 2:You do. This is the best example of just how those devices make us not present. We, melissa Riverne, who was our guest last week, and her husband, had gone to see Fleetwood Mac in Chicago. It was the first time that the entire band was together and at, I think, united, united Center, yeah, united Center, yeah, united Center. We're sitting there, we're seeing Stevie Nicks you know twirling and this girl in front of me is on her phone watching a YouTube of Stevie Nicks on like Letterman instead of watching her actually perform, and I'm like what a come on, what is wrong with you?
Speaker 1:What I don't think I've ever done that at a concert or you know where I'm listening to a DJ. The most of the time when I'm, if I'm on my phone, I'm videoing something for Snapchat, which is again being on your device, or taking a video to remember it, but I don't think I've ever done that. That's kind of ridiculous.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I was blown away. I'm just like girl. You are going to regret this one day.
Speaker 1:Oh, my goodness, that that's crazy. You know the other thing for me, and what I can tell our listeners you don't have to go to a playground and play on the playground. It could be as easy as walking your dogs or doing a puzzle. I've recently started doing puzzles because my mom, when she comes to visit Colorado from Chicago, she's always doing puzzles and I'm like that's stupid. Until I started doing them and that might not be so much joy, joy. Well, let me correct myself it is joy and it's peaceful. At the same time, it's meditative. Yeah, there you go. That's another way that people can find joy.
Speaker 2:It could be whatever it could be riding your bike with the intention of doing it for fun and not to who knows. If you get joy from competing and pushing yourself, then go do it. I get joy from nonsense, you know.
Speaker 1:Well. So I'm going to agree with you that nonsense probably brings more joy, and this is just my opinion because, as a previous competitor, you suffer, you have to cut body fat and carbs and it is so hard and people ask why do you continue to do it? It's just because you love it, but I don't know a lot of competitors that would tell me they find joy in it. Brad, my partner every year he's done competing. He's going to be 54 this year and he's like I'm done. Every year he says this, but he keeps doing it. It's because that's his lifestyle, though. It's become part of who he is. That's not joy. Seeing him suffer and the anger and having to deal with that, I don't think that that's joy. But walking the dogs and seeing them happy and bounce up and down, that might be joyful for somebody like him. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's weird for somebody who's in sales. I'm the least competitive person ever, but I always exceed quota because I don't worry about it. You know I have fun with it and I always overachieve because I don't thrive on the competitiveness and worrying what my teammates are doing. The only way I just have to have fun. That's how I work.
Speaker 1:Yeah, see, I love sales and I love what we do, but it is not something that brings me joy. It's something that I like and love to do, obviously for the money and just the people and networking. But I've gotten really good at disconnecting since COVID shutdown because before you know, as a single parent, all they did was work, work, work, and I was in the industry before that. I came in the industry in 2012. And 2020, we get locked down and, as somebody who traveled five, six days a week, that was a big shift for me and I had to find things to do with the time that I was used to being gone. I could sit here and tell you and our listeners I let my career consume who I was and not who I really am.
Speaker 2:Yeah, took away joy. I think it was 2015. I had back surgery. I had a herniated disc at L5-S1. Oh, no, herniated disc at L5 S1. And I was in so much pain I had to get surgery. At the time I was doing inside sets, so I missed the first half of the month. At first I was like I'll just be out for a couple of days and my manager was like no, you're going to be out for like two weeks. Push myself no, no, no, no, a week at the most. Well, it was two weeks because I would get there and be exhausted and have to go home. So I was worried that I wasn't going to make quota. So the first two weeks of the month I had zero pipeline. So I just resigned myself to the fact that I was just going to not make quota that month. Well, in resigning and just having fun with my calls, somehow just doing that and I was able to detach, I came in at like 165% that month. I was in two weeks. I was the top salesperson that month.
Speaker 1:See, and that is the stress, and you know, obviously sales is a based on producing and it's a revenue generator, but that is the type of things that we do to ourself and then you know somebody who loves sales. You'll end up hating it. That's why I'm not a personal trainer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So I, since then, I have just made the decision to just have fun with it. Just have fun, not worry what anybody else is doing, and I always overachieve always.
Speaker 1:That's great. That's great advice. So for people who don't want to go to a playground or do something like that and they're very serious and busy and kids, marriage, whatever it's possible to find joy in your work again. Yeah, let's say you don't want to go to a park because you're whatever. Find something joyful in your career or in your day to day. Maybe it's getting up and making breakfast or having coffee with yourself or a significant other, or like after work you just disconnect from all devices for 20 minutes or so. It is possible to not have to do an adult playground time. But it's going to be really hard to detach and find joy if you're running everything together, if your job is your joy, your work is your personal life, it's going to be really hard but, like I just said, at the same time you can find joy in that again and find something to do different each day. Would you agree with that or do you have anything? I would absolutely agree with that.
Speaker 2:It's all about making the commitment to make even the most mundane tasks joyful, about making the commitment to make even the most mundane tasks joyful. I love to clean the house because I'll put on an audio book and just get involved in it and I will just scrub because. I won't want to stop because I'll be all involved in my book and not want to let it go.
Speaker 1:If we start getting calls for you to be their people's cleaning ladies, I'm going to direct them to you. For you to be their people's cleaning ladies, I'm gonna direct them to you. But it's weird, like I could totally clean somebody else's house but I hate doing it here. So I gotta find joy in it. But that's a great advice. Turn on an audio book. You know, do something that you might hate.
Speaker 2:It might be something that you love, yeah or you know, I know people do this all the time. You know they'll watch a show whenever they're on a treadmill, but I'd rather just listen to a good book and screw up the tile, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when I'm studying or you know, learning something new or continuing my education or, you know, even like reading, I have music playing in the background. And people ask me how I can do that, and for one it's usually EDM or some sort of high frequency music. If I don't have noise I can't focus, because, having two daughters and raising them as a single parent, I'm used to noise and chaos. So when it's too quiet it's like, hey, you don't see your kids. It's really quiet. What are they doing? I can't get those tasks done and I hate it, but I love it when I'm listening to music. I mean it could be something as simple as just listening to your favorite music genre for 20 minutes or so. Take a bath.
Speaker 2:Exactly, exactly. I have ADD. So if I don't have something that I can focus on while I'm doing those mindless tasks, I'm going to get pulled in a gazillion different directions and not complete anything. Oh yeah, so that just helps me focus.
Speaker 1:Would you say that discovering this playground phenomenon and doing what you did as a kid and finding joy, has that helped your overall well-being?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah absolutely Okay, absolutely. If I'm having a bad day, I guarantee you, if I go and go for a walk and jump on the swings for a few minutes, I feel better and that's how I arrange my life. If I'm not in a good place, then I do whatever I have to do to get in a good place so that I can come back and focus and be productive.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So the gym for me? Going to the gym if I'm having a bad day, if I cause, I usually train in the early morning, but if I don't and I'm having a bad day or I don't want to go, I force myself to get there and literally it turns around my day. I force myself to get there and literally it turns around my day. So maybe for the listeners it's not a playground or a gym, it's something that can bring you out of your funk or bad mood and turn your day around. Maybe it's just sitting there holding hands with your spouse or whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I'm not at the playground. Every single day I take the dog for a walk, right playground. Every single day I take the dog for a walk, or I'll go myself and go walk around the neighborhood or go for a drive or do whatever. Just do something to get you from one state to the next.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, that's great advice. I used to love going for a drive late at night on the highways in Illinois because I would never get pulled over, knock on wood, and I would just take my car and just obviously. I wouldn't do this during the winter or when it's wet out, but I might hit 120 miles on the car that I'm driving, but I do it. Yeah, of course that can put you in jail, so I don't recommend that, but it was just like that freedom, like you said earlier. Yeah, we've talked a lot about finding joy and you know ways of doing that. One question I wanted to ask before we wrap up this episode, because I could talk about this forever. I wanted to ask you what triggered the article and putting this advice or sharing this experience.
Speaker 2:I don't think people seek out joy anymore. I just don't think they do. I think that everybody's so serious, they're so obsessed with going to work, being the perfect employee, being the perfect spouse. Nobody seems to just say you know what? I'm going to just be silly and have fun and find joy, and I think that's such an important part of life that people just overlook, especially as adults. We have a right to be joyful.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and misery loves company. So if you surround yourself with miserable people, you're going to be miserable yourself. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah, that's great advice, lisa. Honestly, trying to find joy in your life is really hard, as an adult especially. There's a lot of people unemployed and everything's expensive. It's hard to see a means to the end. So hopefully with this episode, listeners and others can think about finding joy.
Speaker 2:Even if you think about it right, at least you're trying Exactly, and and it could be something as simple as going and getting a couple of Nerf guns and, you know, shooting your husband, you know.
Speaker 1:Yes, water balloons. I don't know where I saw this, but I saw something about whoopee cushions and people just adults playing with whoopee cushions and it's the funniest thing. But that's a true joyful moment, right yeah?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean enjoy some nonsense during the day or in your life.
Speaker 1:Just embrace it. Is that your last advice before we wrap it up? You want to leave anything else with our audience? That's my last advice. So the last piece of advice I will give to our listeners and anybody else who comes across this episode exactly what you said, lisa, earlier that you felt kind of embarrassed or like not ashamed. But you know, the first time you went to the playground you felt like you were going to be judged. People got to stop doing that to themselves, because when you think somebody's judging you or you know going to make fun of you, that's usually in your head or you bring that towards yourself. Exactly, just get out there, do what you got to do to have fun and just try to find that peace. Exactly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you think you're going to be judged, you're going to be judged yeah.
Speaker 1:So Well, and people like I said. Misery loves company, so there are people that just don't want to find joy, but don't be that person, don't? This has been a great episode, lisa. We could talk about this forever. You can check out Lisa's article on our website or on her LinkedIn link up with her on our website or on her LinkedIn link up with her. And don't forget to subscribe to our podcast on a variety of platforms and check out our website at wwwtechexecwellnesscom. Take care and thanks for tuning in. Thanks a lot and be silly.
