Tech Exec Wellness Podcast: Conversations to Reignite Your Soul
In the fast-paced world of technology, where innovation and disruption are the norm, tech executives often find themselves caught in a whirlwind of high-pressure decision-making, long working hours, and constant connectivity. The relentless pursuit of success and the demands of their roles can take a toll on their mental, emotional, and physical well-being. However, a new narrative that emphasizes the importance of tech executive wellness as a crucial component of sustainable success is emerging. This is the story of the tech executive's journey to rediscover balance, prioritize well-being, and ultimately thrive in their personal and professional lives.
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Tech Exec Wellness Podcast: Conversations to Reignite Your Soul
The Human Side of Cybersecurity: Insights from Dominic Vogel
Ever wondered how positivity and innovation can reshape the cybersecurity landscape? Join us as we sit down with the distinguished cybersecurity thought leader Dominic Vogel, who shares his dynamic approach to balancing security with business priorities. Discover the transformative power of positivity, as Dominic reveals his unique LinkedIn strategy and "kindness project," aimed at infusing empathy into the digital security realm. We'll also hear about his passion for rock and roll, including an unforgettable Paul McCartney concert experience that showcases his love for timeless music.
Navigating the intense demands of the cybersecurity industry requires more than just technical skills. In our conversation, we explore the intersection of wellness and leadership, and how self-care rituals like daily walks and family time can stave off burnout. Listen as we discuss the vital role of leaders in providing mental support and setting clear organizational priorities. Dominic’s insights into authentic and vulnerable leadership offer a roadmap for fostering healthier workplace environments, driving both personal and professional growth in an often high-pressure field.
Breaking into the cybersecurity job market is no easy feat, but personal branding and human skills can set you apart. We share strategies for building strong professional networks and making lasting connections with potential employers beyond the conventional application process. For those who lean introverted, we provide encouragement and tips for stepping out of your comfort zone, underscoring that authenticity is just as crucial as technical prowess in the ever-evolving cybersecurity landscape. Tune in for a conversation rich with guidance and innovation, as Dominic Vogel and our team illuminate paths to success in this competitive arena.
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Hello, it's great to be back to another episode of the Tech Exec Wellness Podcast, and I couldn't be more delighted than to have one of the best people I know in cybersecurity today. So joining us is Dominic Vogel. He's a well-respected cybersecurity thought leader, appearing on media news outlets across the world. As a veteran cybersecurity expert and thought leader, dominic holds a proven track record across a multitude of industries, which include financial services, logistics, transportation, healthcare, government telecommunications and, of course, critical infrastructure, which is important these days. Dominic is a firm believer in delivering sustainable security that supports and protects business goals. Having worked within large and globally diverse organizations, he has extensive security experience that has been forged over the past two decades as an information security professional. Dominic is a two-time founder who has focused on providing unbiased, actionable cybersecurity strategic guidance and advice to startups and small businesses across North America. Strategic guidance and advice to startups and small businesses across North America.
Speaker 1:Dominic is the president at Vogel Coaching and Leadership Services, a Vancouver-based leadership advisory company specializing in cybersecurity, and hosts the Cybersecurity Matters podcast, a highly regarded podcast that explores the intersection between cybersecurity and business. He is also and I'm not saying this, but he's saying this he is also a self-proposed positive troll and I've been the recipient of a lot of those. You know really cool things. We'll talk about that later in the podcast. And he's a professional hype man and believes in the power of uplifting others through his high energy coaching practice. Dominic, welcome to the show. How are you today?
Speaker 2:I'm really well, Melissa. Thank you so, so, so much for having me on the show. I just appreciate you so much as a friend. I'm looking forward to an epic convo.
Speaker 1:Awesome. Well, before we get started and start talking about wellness and burnout and all those great things that go along with cyber, can you tell us about your favorite music genre, what are you listening to in the car and any memorable concert experiences you can share with our listeners?
Speaker 2:Well, I'm a bit of an old soul. I don't listen to anything past 1985, much to the chagrin of my kids, and especially my 14-year-old daughter, who considers that ancient history. I'm a big rock and roll guy. I love anything that's on the oldie stations. My favorite concert experience was when I went with my brother to when Paul McCartney came through Vancouver. I'm going to say it was probably 2013, maybe 2014. One of the last times he was doing a true global tour and it was just really, really awesome to be part of the electricity running through that building and seeing someone at his age at the time performing the way that he did, for as long as he did, was just freaking amazing. One of the highlights that I'm grateful to have experienced in my life.
Speaker 1:My late mother loved Paul McCartney and Wings with his wife Linda, and I remember she saw them back in the 80s, I think, or something that was played around my house a lot and I really like the Beatles old music, but especially Paul's solo work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can't go wrong.
Speaker 1:Before we get into talking about all good things, wellness. I've been the recipient of a lot of positive feedback from you on LinkedIn and I see you do that with others. Why did you decide to kind of put out that good energy out there, which I love, but what kind of propels you to do that?
Speaker 2:You know what propelled me to do? It was just trying to be different. You know, and when I became an entrepreneur and I'm entering my 10th year as an entrepreneur you know I'd come from corporate where I just conditioned myself to just think all I was capable of doing was, you know, security work. Right, I just saw myself as a cybersecurity person. When I became an entrepreneur, I was like how do I learn sales, how do I learn marketing? How do I, you know, learn building relationships? You know, how do I learn supporting people? You know, and I started going on LinkedIn and you know, I started going on linkedin and, you know, sending dms to people and trying to drum up business. That got me nowhere, absolutely nowhere. I thought, hmm, there needs to be a better way. And I also at the time was like, you know what? There's a lot of negativity here, even for a professional platform like linkedin. You know, people who were taking a chance and posting content were, you know, know, getting negative comments or rude comments or what have you. And I thought, hmm, what if I do this differently? Rather than trying to get business, why don't I just try to support people, why don't I just try to support people who are trying to do good in this world. Why don't I just try to be a source of kindness and inspiration? And maybe if I do that, they'll create the right energy for success? And at the time I sort of coined it my kindness project, which is a working title for a book I've been probably working on for the past four years. To me it's about my, it was just, it was sparking, trying to be different, you know, and something I've done consistently for the past seven years now, and it's something which recently I was named in the top five security influencers in Canada and I was really proud of that. I was really proud of that because, paradoxically, I don't talk about security. I rarely talk about security in my posts or in my content, but what I believe I brought to the industry, and why I believe I'm an influencer in this space, is that I've humanized the field.
Speaker 2:I've shown that people in this field they're not just techies, they're not just security people who like talking about security. There are security people with feelings, there are security people who are driven by kindness and empathy. There are more than just our profession. More than anything, I think I've shown that the field is filled with great humans, our profession, you know, and I've really more than anything, I think I've shown that the field is filled with great humans, right, and trying to break down the stereotypes of what the cybersecurity profession is like and what the professionals in that field is like, that's what's motivated me to do it.
Speaker 2:Right, it was just to be different and just be a bright light in someone's day, and the friendships I formed, melissa, like this one, I formed just amazing, amazing lifelong friendships that I know, when it's all said and done, when I'm done with my career, I'll still have these amazing friends, right? People that I'll be able to visit across the world, people that I'll be able to have amazing lifelong friendships with. And that's, to me, what has been the driving force. It's by leading with kindness, it's by leading with friendship and the comments I get when I catch up with people and I say, dom, I look forward to your comments every day, because I know, at least once a day, I'll be smiling or laughing, and it's stuff like that. That's why I do what I do, melissa.
Speaker 1:You know I love that and I commend you for that. You were one of my supporters last year when I was stepping out on a ledge and posting and whatnot and the engagement algorithms, et cetera. Through your compassion and your guidance I've kind of found my voice as well and I would agree with you a hundred percent that technology executives, cybersecurity people a lot of them like yourself, like me, others have compassion and we're just really cool people. The day-to-day work. I mean we're really all interesting people. I appreciate your friendship and keep doing what you're doing. I love that. You're putting out positive energy and it's a ripple effect. I think it's going to continue to ripple across the world and we'll see nice people and not so much mean people. That would be great.
Speaker 2:That's the goal, melissa. I think one of the greatest comments I get from people is when they say if you had been posting about security, I wouldn't have connected with you and we wouldn't have become friends. And I think that's why it's so important for us to remember, and one of the hardest things for me to crack out of my brain was that I am more than what I do Burning out in corporate. While it was difficult at the time, it put me on this beautiful journey where I was able to become more in tune with a higher version of myself, a higher purpose, and more in tune with the energy vibrations that were more true to my soul, and it really brought me to a point where I recognized that who I am is what's important. What I do is largely irrelevant, but it's who I am. That is what I need to lead with each and every day, and that has been, like I said, one of the greatest gifts.
Speaker 1:I love that you said that, because I read something the other day about how people their identity is defined by where they work or what they do, and I'm guilty of that. When I worked at Apple, I was Apple. I wasn't even posting on LinkedIn or anything I found my identity. I know that kind of sounds crazy, but I see other people that mention that a lot. I know that kind of sounds crazy, but I see other people that mention that a lot that they see people identifying as what they do and where they work versus who they are.
Speaker 2:And that's why I say in corporate, I saw myself just as a security professional. When I burned out in corporate and started becoming an entrepreneur, I thought, oh, I can't do sales, I can't do marketing, I don't know how to do business development, I don't know how to build a relationship. It led me to just assuming those things were true and it led me to picking a business partner that, in the long run, ended up not being the right business partner for my energy. But the funny thing is that by picking the wrong business partner, it brought me to a spot where I learned how to do sales. I learned how to build meaningful relationships. I learned how to do sales. I learned how to build meaningful relationships. I learned how to do marketing. I learned how to do branding and I got really good at it. I was like, wow, I actually enjoy this more than I enjoy security work. But one of the things that I now do is that every year I do what I refer to as an assumption audit Anything that I assume about myself to be true. I actively challenge it every year because I was holding myself back.
Speaker 2:Like I said, when I left corporate, all I was trained to do or felt I could do was security work Now for the longest time, with my professional speaking as well. I would only talk about security. A few years ago a friend of mine said, dom, you should be talking about how to be an inspiring leader, how to grow an amazing, high-performing team. He said your content is so much more than security. You can talk more about that. You don't have to just talk about security. I was like son of a gun. I just assumed that's all I was actually allowed to talk about. So now when I go out, one of my favorite talks I like to give to technical audiences is how to unleash your inner leader. It's something that in the tech space, very few of us actually have taken the time to understand. What it means to be a leader in the tech space.
Speaker 2:And why I focus on coaching, you know, because I really believe that the technical field whether it's IT or cybersecurity we overemphasize the technical certs, the security cert service, right? You look at any training plan for a company, an IT team, security team. There's nothing in there about how do we become better communicators, right? How can I be a more inspirational leader, right? How can I do better? How can we create more empathetic communication with the team here? Right? None of that right. And when I bring forward that to CIOs and CTOs, they're like, wow, no one's ever mentioned that before. And I'm a big believer that the next big maturity hop in our field isn't going to come through technology. It's going to come through those that start investing in their people, and not, like I said, not in terms of security awareness, not in terms of their security certifications or tech certifications, but actually making their people people, allowing them to explore themselves, allowing them to explore hidden dimensions about themselves, allowing them to be more in tune with a higher purpose, right and higher versions of themselves. That's the next level.
Speaker 1:Right on. I'm loving that, okay, so let's pivot for a second. What are you doing to take care of yourself? What is your approach to wellness, and is there anything that you are consistent with that you've adopted that kind of routine for you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know what? For me, it's become a matter of trying to really make sure that I prioritize myself. I've always been a giver. I put more so on others, and after I became a dad I have two kids I realized I was more often than not I was going to bed with a very, very empty cup. And so past few years especially because the pandemic was great in that it allowed me to start bringing forward a routine, because I was able to work from home all the time, and I now work from home pretty much all the time as well so when I drop off my son at school, rain or shine, I go on an hour walk, which is great. It sets my mood, gives me energy for the day.
Speaker 2:I take the time where then I have a later breakfast, where it's something that I'm not working on a full stomach, and when it's time for me to take a midday break, it's ready for me to take a midday break, it's ready for me to have a great lunch.
Speaker 2:I get to spend some time with my wife, and it's little things, it's nothing huge. One of the things I try really, really hard and I do fail on this, but I try really, really hard is that when my kids are home from school, that I don't do any work, that I try to be done by the um, when I pick them up and I'm able to spend time with them driving to their activities, but go outside play, what have you right? That is healing time for me. That's time where I get to focus on what it is that truly matters the most to me in my life. Um, do I get to do it all the time? No, do I get to spend time equally with my son, my daughter, my wife all the time? No, it's the. It's like I said, that concerted effort of just not being focused on work all the time, like I was in corporate it's. It's does wonders for the, for the, for the mind, body and soul.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. One of the things that we see a lot in our industry is cybersecurity staff shortages. People are juggling two to three different tasks at their job and we're seeing a lot of burnout. I was one of those a year ago. What do you think needs to be done to address well-being, whether it be in cyber or elsewhere in corporate? What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I'll say there's a bunch of different things. I think that can go into that, but you're absolutely right. Brown is right for the industry. I've experienced it twice in my corporate days. So a couple of things. One is back to the leadership piece and why I'm a big believer in coaching. We need to equip our technical leaders with the ability to do what I call mental triage, to be able to identify when people are burning out, to be able to identify when people need a safe psychological space to just talk and vent. A lot of my coaching clients jokingly refer to my service as cheap therapy where.
Speaker 2:I just provide a safe psychological space for people on the technical team to just vent, to just say what they need to say, and it feels so much better because there's not rallying it around in their heads, they're not venting to their colleagues, which brings other negative energy, they're not bringing it home and being negative at home it's about really, the first step is how can we better mental triage this, because it's there so we need to be able to identify it and triage it and provide that level of support. Back to my earlier point the leaders in our space are not equipped. They've not been trained to be leaders. They've not been trained to provide that, create a safe psychological space for people to feel their feelings. That, to me, is a key thing that we need to do better on in this industry. But also, I'll say, to the left of the stress boom, what can be done to prevent the stress from actually manifesting. And for me, what I think it still comes down to is better alignment around what needs to be done in terms of just prioritization.
Speaker 2:I cannot tell you how many security teams I coach and I support where they are just dealing with conflicting requirements from their bosses, from maybe the board, or from executives, and it feels like they're constantly stuck in cement or quicksand which is quickly turning into cement, and they're just unable to do anything.
Speaker 2:So, to me, what really needs to be done is we need to again, I draw this back to leadership. A lot of security leaders are not equipped to really bring this forward at an executive level in terms of, hey, we need to do better, right, we need to have clearer priorities, and we're going to have clearer priorities because we're going to start communicating more clearly, right. The board may think one thing, the executives think another, and the executives are confused by what the security team is saying, because the CISO or security director is not equipped to talk in a way that is meaningful or in alignment with what the business or the organization needs or is expecting. So I'm a big believer here that, in terms of burnout, in terms of the perceived talent shortage, really a root cause in all of this is that we need to create better leaders in this space. That, to me, is the key solution.
Speaker 1:I love that and tell me if you agree with this. But I think even people like myself that have really taken the time to sit down and reevaluate, do that inventory, like you mentioned earlier. I think if you're not willing to do that, I don't think you're going to be successful. What do you think? Do you agree that it starts with that leader?
Speaker 2:Absolutely, absolutely. I think there's that trickle-down effect where the leader needs to start doing that and they need to be authentic in sharing that with their team. They need to be vulnerable with their team in being able to say, hey, you know what, I've done some stuff myself and here's where I can do better, here's areas where I assumed I was doing this but it turns out I wasn't. They need to be more empathetic. We're still struggling with empathy in the broader tech space and cybersecurity space in terms of being more empathetic to one another. Sometimes we're so quick to label and judge someone as, oh, they're a bad performer or no, that person's a jerk. We don't seek to understand why someone is acting the way that they're acting. Again, that stems from a lack of leadership or lack of people who have been developed as true leaders. And the last thing, too, is kindness. We desperately need more kindness in our industry. We are not kind to ourselves in this industry and we're certainly not kind to each other. There is still a lack of kindness in this field.
Speaker 2:Presentation around how do you unleash that hidden leader those are my four pillars that I build around. It's around authenticity, it's around vulnerability, it's around empathy and it's around kindness, right, those are my four main pillars. You're able to start developing those and honing those skills, you become a better leader. And that has a trickle-down effect because your, if your people start seeing that, they will start being able to develop that. If you give them the time and the energy and the coaching whether if you do it yourself, bring in a coach like myself, or you're going to start seeing stuff like burnout. You're going to start seeing that disappearing. You're going to see higher performance. You're going to see happier teams and when people are more dialed in, with the right energy, you're going to see, like I said, massive, massive performance hops, massive maturity hops.
Speaker 1:I love that and that's one of the things I say to the startups I work with and some of the enterprise customers I have is your people, you've got to take care of your people. It's the right thing to do. But also, if we want to talk about output, we want to talk about cost operationally optimizing it, especially in this downturn economy. If you take care of your people, not only are you going to get production and revenue growth, but you're also going to reduce cost of healthcare, of people leaving, people, going out on leave and if they can take a moment to look at the bigger picture, dominic, like you're talking about, you would see a lot of rewards versus we shouldn't be doing this. We need to take a holistic approach, kind of like what you're saying.
Speaker 2:Yes, a hundred percent. And that's when we look at the way that leadership is still structured in this field. I still have conversations with CIOs who look at investing in your people as basically voodoo magic. They're like why would I invest in that when I can buy another tool? And it's like that's the problem, right? We think that we can keep buying tools to get ourselves out of these holes. Technology has evolved a lot over the 20 years I've been doing this, but you know what hasn't evolved? One iota is our ability to lead.
Speaker 2:It's the same shitty, same terrible leaders that were here 20 years ago and we have not progressed to the same degree that our technology has progressed. If there are ability to lead and inspire and create amazing teams, if that evolved at the same rate as technology, we would be having a very different conversation, melissa, very, very different conversation. That's what we need to do. We need to really get people to stop thinking about that. It's not about buying more technology. More technology isn't the problem. Technology alone isn't the problem, so buying more of it isn't going to be the solution.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what needs to happen is a disruption. I don't want to say revolution, that's a little harsh but I think disruption meaning you know, I've been here and think different for years, but really, truly, at this point, we need to disrupt what has been the status quo for years and shake it up a bit. What guidance would you give for people looking to get into cyber, because we know the good, the bad, the ugly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, you know what I do for people who are trying to enter the field. I'm blessed to have the opportunity to speak to a lot of college students, university students, people who are just eager to get into the field, and they always ask me, like, what should we do to get into the field? What certification do I need? What technology do I need to do? I would say you need to just focus on investing in yourself as a person, learning how to be a better leader, learning how to build meaningful relationships, learn how to be a more empathetic communicator, learn how to hold an audience talking about something which is maybe very complex and maybe, on a good day, very boring, and make it come alive for someone that isn't in our field. And it's like people are just blown away. They're like, wow, we've been in schooling for four years doing this and no one's actually ever said that we should think about how we can be better people. So it's being tech, tech, tech, tech, tech and they get blown away by it.
Speaker 2:I'm a big believer in this because, doing what I do, I build out a lot of security teams for my clients right, building them from the ground up and even for like the smallest of organizations. When they open a job opening for a junior security analyst role, they get inundated with hundreds and hundreds of applications and guess what? They all read the same. It's like they all use the same template, they all use the same AI engine, they're all using the word that would relish the opportunity to work for your organization, and it just no one stands out. Right, so, right, so, and why? It's because they're and they're all this, these massive technical certifications. We have this, this, this, this, this, and that that's why we need, I need people to understand that.
Speaker 2:It's not that you. You need the tech to get, maybe, you to the table, but guess what, once you get to the table, everyone else has the same dang tech certification, security certification. What's going to set you apart is your ability just to pop as a person, right To be this amazingly authentic, vulnerable, empathetic and kind person. That energy will shine through, right, and you see it, when people with resumes, even just a splash of color to their resumes, they're like, wow, that stood out. That person's getting an interview, all right. So daring to be different, daring to, like I said, look at this profession than more than just technology.
Speaker 1:That's really awesome. When you were talking, I was thinking about incident response. A lot of people I don't know if you see this with the college students but they think cybersecurity is one thing. When it's so multifaceted it's almost like medicine, right, different specialties. And when I think of something like incident response, you've got to have the empathy, the compassion and the control to walk a customer through one of the most craziest things that's going to happen to them a data breach and the CISO's taking heat from the board. It's finger pointing. And when we talk about the human element, it's critical. In cyber, it's critical that you have to have people's skills.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, and because cybersecurity has become such a hot spot for people to apply. You know, the market is so crowded. You know, and I hear Melissa from so many people who reach out to me or on LinkedIn or people I have conversations with, and they're like, yeah, I've been looking for work for eight months, nine months, and I say, well, tell me, what are you doing? Like, how are you doing? How are you applying? Oh, I just set my computer and apply for five hours applying to jobs. Do you do anything else? I'm like no, and I say you know what? It breaks my heart to say this, but you're wasting your time.
Speaker 2:When I hear people who say, yeah, I can't get work, I recognize that there's people who are in a hard spot and are unable to get work, but I still find far too many people who are not applying. They're playing harder but not smarter. As well. As bring it back to the human form, the human centric side here and where I really believe, I see it locally. I see it with people that I coach who are on the job hunt, that you can't just apply to a job online and let it go into the, into the hr ether, because most people, like I. Their resumes all look the same and I've done it just to show how difficult it is.
Speaker 2:Once you've sent my resume into the places and I don't hear from places that I'm more than qualified for you need to go beyond just applying online. So I always tell people that's why you need to develop your brand. You need to develop your network, both virtually on platforms like LinkedIn and in person in your community. You need to develop your network both virtually on platforms like LinkedIn and in person right In your community. Right, find where your hiring managers are going, right, whether it's ISAC, isc, squared, other tech association, tech meetings. Go and develop the relationships, go and develop the place there, because the talent managers are having a tough time looking through all those resumes. So make it easy on them right. Find them, develop relationships with them, develop friendships with them, wow them with what you're doing, and then you're going to now what I say short circuit the process right. The hiring process is very broken, very, very broken.
Speaker 1:So you need to take it into your own hands and do more than just firing it into the online black hole. Okay, what would you say to those people? And not like us, because we're very extroverted?
Speaker 2:but you've got a lot of introverted people in cyber. They're going to be more apt to stay at home, stay behind the keyboard, extremely introverted person. For most of my life I had one friend or two. The other one was my brother. For most of my life, up until my mid-20s, even when I was in corporate, I was still very shy. I was good at what I did, but I did not form relationships very well.
Speaker 2:It wasn't until I became an entrepreneur, like I said, started to actively challenge myself, that I found what I refer to as these hidden dimensions about myself. 15-year-old me, 13-year-old me heck, even 20-year-old me would not believe the version of me that is currently in existence. So I really believe that it is possible for most people. You just need to try and challenge those assumptions. Is it easy? No, is it a switch? No, but I know it sounds somewhat cliche, but growth comes from discomfort. You know, and I'm so grateful that I did burn out, because if I didn't burn out, if I stayed in corporate, the version that I am now today likely may not have evolved and I'm I really like who I am today. So I'm really grateful that I did burn out because it happened for a reason. So I tell people now that you know what. Maybe you're out of work for a reason. Maybe this is an opportunity for you to find another version of yourself, a version that you didn't even know possible. How amazing would that be to find that person.
Speaker 1:That's truly incredible and I can relate to everything you said, because I was that person and I love the person I am today. The person I am today is so frigging, compassionate and cool. I mean, I thought I was cool before but I really think, like you said, I think you're cool.
Speaker 1:Melissa. All right, I love it. No, that's why we're friends. But no, you're spot on. And I had been going through the grind doing the same thing every day, I wouldn't have time for my family I know you mentioned that with your children, but I've really taken inventory myself of what's important to me, so that really resonates. That's so great, Dominic. Okay, I've got one last question for you where I'm just trying to spread as much kindness and inspiration and smiles as I can on a daily basis.
Speaker 2:Platforms like LinkedIn allow me to magnify and amplify that. I try to live my daily life here in Vancouver, where I live. I'm grateful for platforms like LinkedIn that allow me to amplify that. And my goal. I set monthly goals for myself. I set a monthly quota and my quota at the end of every month is how many meaningful friendships did I strengthen this month and how many meaningful friendships did I start this month as a result of my time on LinkedIn or as a result of just trying to spread kindness? That's how I measure my success. Because I know everything else will stem and flow naturally from that. I prioritize that.
Speaker 1:What an outstanding conversation with the one and only Dominic Vogel. Thank you so much for stopping by today.
Speaker 2:Thank you, melissa. That was a blast. Let's do it again, all right?
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