Tech Exec Wellness Podcast: Conversations to Reignite Your Soul
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Tech Exec Wellness Podcast: Conversations to Reignite Your Soul
Ransomware Recovery: Inside Lyra's Shawn Melito's World
Meet Shawn Melito, CEO of Lyra Recovery, whose cybersecurity career began with a case of mistaken identity. He accidentally interviewed for a cyber role, believing it was for pharmacy software, and then managed to bluff his way into an 18-year career in ransomware recovery. He adopts a refreshing approach to work-life balance, sharing his unique routine of playing video games on an elliptical. His honesty about prioritizing sustainability over perfection offers valuable insights for executives.
The fast-paced world of incident response presents distinct challenges. With his team juggling multiple breaches, Shawn notes there is hardly time to decompress. His travel schedule consumes 50% of his time during conference season, making nutrition essential for practical solutions. Interestingly, he disconnects from digital wellness culture; unlike his peers who track health metrics, he uses no wearables and abandoned Facebook years ago. His selective tech use establishes boundaries that many could benefit from.
Shawn advises aspiring cybersecurity professionals to focus on operational expertise before taking on business development roles. Technical knowledge fosters stronger client relationships and enhances career stability in an industry driven by private equity. Want more authentic discussions on managing high-pressure careers and well-being? Subscribe to Tech Exec Wellness for insights from leaders facing these daily challenges.
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Welcome back to another episode of the Tech Exec Wellness. This is Melissa, your host, and today I have Sean Melito. Sean is the CEO for Lyra Recovery, a business unit of Lyra Technology Group and global leader in providing ransomware recovery and remediation services. He has spent the last 18 years working with incident response firms, breach coaches and claims manager to build the finest post-breach service firms in the cyber insurance industry. Sean brings almost 30 years of management experience to this role.
Speaker 1:Previously, Sean was CRO for BreachQuest, a managing director at Kivu Consulting and a business unit leader at NPC's Data Breach Response Group. Other relevant prior work experience includes managing a Canadian breach response and identity theft services company, as well as a healthcare insurance services and contract with the Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada. Sean is a certified information privacy professional through the International Association of Privacy Professionals, iapp, and previous member of their Canadian Advisory Board. He has chaired multiple cyber insurance industry conferences and presented on the topics of breach response, data security and recovery at net diligence, iapp, rims and Zywave events. He was also featured on SiriusXM's radio show when Things Go Wrong. Sean received his BA from the University of Toronto and his MBA from the Richard Ivey School of Business in London, ontario. Sean, delighted to have you here, but you're in the hot seat so I got to ask this question before we move forward. I would like to know what genre of music you like and if you could tell our listeners about a favorite memorable concert experience.
Speaker 2:Well, first of all, thank you for having me Pleasure to be here. I'm pretty much a classic rock type of guy. You know everything fromles to stones to led zeppelin, and my favorite concert experience is definitely green day, although, I agree, although really my favorite concert experience is, uh, every year, believe it or not, cyber insurance industry has a cyber band and we play a net diligence Philadelphia conference every year, and that every year just gets better and better. So that's, that's probably my favorite concert experience that I get to play in.
Speaker 1:Can you tell our listeners a little bit about how that band formed and what kind of songs you're playing and how long does it go?
Speaker 2:It goes a couple hours. We have two sets. We take a little break in the middle. It actually got its start Josh Ladeau, who is now a singer in the band. He started probably 10, 12 years ago a battle of the bands at Net Diligence in a bar called Howling at the Moon, which doesn't exist anymore, but it was one of those dueling piano bands and we would just take over the stage and it was basically his band, which is the original Cyber Band, and then it was my band, which was just some guys that worked at NPC with me, and we would play and I remember we won the first year, and then Josh's band won the second year, and then I can't remember I think we went back and forth a bit and then COVID hit and that ended, and then when we came back we thought it was silly to do a battle of the bands.
Speaker 2:So we just started doing like a super group and we just the best players of both bands got together and that's how it all started.
Speaker 1:I hope our paths will cross because I'd like to get up there and maybe do an Alanis Morissette song. You ought to know what do you think?
Speaker 2:Definitely Anything off of Jagged Little Pill is fine.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 2:Good for the Canadian content as well.
Speaker 1:Yes, Love it. One of the things that I want to know is what led you to this career in cyber, specifically breach response.
Speaker 2:So I think I probably have one of the weirdest stories of how I got into cyber 17,. 18 years ago I was looking for a new job. Government of Ontario had passed some legislation that was very unfavorable to pharmacy development and that's what I was in before. I actually used to buy and sell and open pharmacies for a company called Kate's Group in Canada.
Speaker 2:There wasn't going to be any capital in pharmacy anymore, so I was looking for something outside of that and I opened the newspaper which is what you did back then when you were looking for a job and I saw that Kroll was looking for a director of fraud solutions for Canada and at the time there was a company called Kroll that did pharmacy software up in Canada and I didn't realize that it was two different companies. So I applied there was actually quite a bit of fraud in pharmacy at the time so it all made sense to me, wrote my cover letter, sent it off, got an interview and two guys flew up from Nashville to interview me. And I'm about 10 minutes into the interview and it came. I realized that this isn't the same Kroll company at all and they were none the wiser. So I basically just BS myself, bs my way through the rest of the hour long interview and ended up getting the job. So that's how I got into cyber Complete accident.
Speaker 1:I love when that happens. It's almost like it's fate right, Like you were meant to be at that place at that time and see that ad. That's kind of cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Well, there was a recession going on at the time, so it was very, very hard to find a job, so I wasn't going to let that one go, even if I had no idea what I was doing, which, at the time. When it came to cyber insurance and identity theft and data breach, that was all brand new as well, and same with privacy legislation, so everybody was starting from scratch, so it didn't matter that I was coming at it completely from left field.
Speaker 1:I've had a stint in incident response and I know no day is ever the same, for instance, in your situation. What does a typical day look like for you?
Speaker 2:So this is one of the reasons I love my current role as leader of Lyra Recovery is no two days ever look the same. One day I could be traveling to a conference. One day I'm taking meetings doing business development. Another day I'm reviewing legal agreements or talking to lawyers. Another day I'm reviewing our website, our marketing materials. One day I'm doing financial reports and trying to figure out what next year is going to look like, or you know any mountain of different things. So it's really nice. My days are always different.
Speaker 1:How do you decompress? Let's say, from what I've experienced, sometimes I can take a week from intake to remediation. What do you do after you've gone through like a massive breach? How do you decompress after that?
Speaker 2:So with my job we are probably onboarding two or three different cases at any one time. They start at any point during the week, they can end at any point during the week. There really is no decompressing after a data breach, because we've got two or three more and I have an amazing team, I've got a great CEO, a VP of ops, and we've got project manager and I even have somebody to help with accounting. So it doesn't all fall to me. But there really is no decompressing after a case because there's another one starting up pretty close to the end. How I decompress at the end of the day usually it's a beverage. If it's warm enough, it's a beverage by the pool, Nice. If it's not, then it's a beverage on the deck. And yeah, just if I'm home, because I travel probably about 50% of the time. If I'm home, it's a relax on the deck.
Speaker 1:Well, I can't wait to talk about your traveling habits, but that'll come here in a minute, so be prepared when you're at home. Have you incorporated any wellness practices into your daily regimen?
Speaker 2:So if you're at home, you're not traveling. Are you doing anything at all? So I have probably the most infantile exercise routine of any of the guests that you have on. I have self-diagnosed ADHD, so if I'm bored I won't actually exercise. So I have an elliptical and then right in front of the elliptical is a big screen TV and then there's a surround sound system around it and I actually have to play video games while I'm working out, or I'll go for like 20 minutes and then stop and, as you know, that's just not enough exercise.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, I actually got the idea. I saw it years ago on YouTube. There was a kid who had I think it was a recumbent bike and he had it hooked up to a generator and unless he was pedaling it didn't make power to run his video game system. Wow, that's a lot of engineering that I'm not going to do, but I can still do the same sort of thing with my elliptical and because an elliptical, you know you don't have to use your arms. You can just let those arm things go back and forth and just make sure you stay away from them so you don't get hit in the head, and rest the controller on the control unit and I can play pretty much any sort of video game while I'm working out. That's awesome.
Speaker 2:I can play pretty much any sort of video game while I'm working out. That's awesome. I can get really nerdy if you want to at this point. But that probably covers. You can probably visualize my workout routine at this point. Just a quick question what type of video games do you need to? You know, shoot those zombies right in the head where you have to. You can't do that while you're also working out. That's one of the video game types I like the first person shooter, and then the other big one is any sort of racing game, and that I can do, actually at the hardest level, even while I'm working out, because you don't need really fine motor skills to drive a car.
Speaker 2:I'm actually a much bigger fan of Red Dead Redemption, which is another rockstar game, very much story oriented.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I remember GTA undergrad. One of my neighbors had it and I'd play it here and there, and yeah, so that's the extent of my video games other than Mario and Street Fighter, like I mentioned earlier, if it wasn't for video games, I'd be 400 pounds.
Speaker 2:So there you go. I'm probably the only person who's ever said that.
Speaker 1:You know what. That is cool, but I love the authenticity. That's really cool that you're being honest. So okay, let's pivot here. What do you say the percentage is of travel that you do a year quarter? What does that look like? Is that 50% or more?
Speaker 2:It's 50% during conference season. So that starts kind of like late January and goes until you know, july and then picks up again in September and goes to December, and that's pretty much every other week. Because I have I don't know, I call it my geographic BD focus. Other week, because I have, I don't know, I call it my geographic BD focus, and that's, you know, when I'm in New York or LA or Toronto or London or wherever you know, when I'm in that city, then I also hit up all of my connections that are there and try to get meetings with them. So I'm not usually in a city for a couple of days for a conference, I'm there for a week and you know, then a week off and then, and then, and then back at it. Um, luckily, during the summer it uh, you know, the conference season dies out a lot and there's there's not enough, not as much travel, especially to Lloyd's, um, so yeah, I would say 50% of the time. I'd say 50% of the time, 70% of the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, I guess that's good. I mean, I can relate to the 75%. And I'm curious to know when you're traveling, do you have? Are you mindful of your sleep, your nutrition? Do you really pay attention to what you're?
Speaker 2:doing so. When it comes to sleep, I was really bad back when I was in my 30s and early 40s, just going until three o'clock in the morning every night of a conference Absolute stupidity. As I got older I realized that just wasn't going to work. So, yeah, no, definitely in bed by midnight every night when I travel. Now Nothing good happens after midnight anyways. And unfortunately, nutrition I try to grab a salad here and there, maybe a bowl of fruit for breakfast. Try not to eat steak every single night for a week straight. My colon definitely thanks me for that. But yeah, no, I definitely don't follow any sort of regimen when I'm traveling. Luckily, my wife is an amazing cook, so you know when I come home we eat much better here than I do on the road.
Speaker 1:No, that's great. I don't know if I told you this before offline, but when I had traveled for Apple, I was on the road probably 75% when we were launching iPhone and I remember you know I was fit and trim when I went in there and the wait came on. It was getting off the plane, maybe sitting at the airport delay in Chicago, right, and then getting into a rental after the flight and then driving to where I was and by the time I got there I was so tired and exhausted. I don't think I was hydrating on the plane like I should have. And you go to Marriott or whatever and thankfully Weston has a more mindful type menu where it's all superfoods, but I could remember just ordering, just because I was just hungry, like a burger and fries and it really catches up with you.
Speaker 2:It really does I agree. I literally can see myself getting bigger when I travel and in conferences, especially as I'm older. Now you know. Luckily I get home and I'm able to shed some of it off.
Speaker 1:But that's nice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, unfortunately I my schedules are packed from probably 8 am to 10 pm every day when I travel, with meetings and lunches and dinners and everything, and it's just not possible to hit the gym at the hotel and a lot of my meetings are based around meals and the occasional drink. So it's just not realistic. I've made peace with myself that when I travel I'm not going to eat very well, but I'll make sure I make up for it when I get home.
Speaker 1:Okay, so let's talk about that. So you mentioned your wife. Is there a dish that she makes? That's great. Is there something that when you come off the road, you're like, oh, I got to have it. Have it ready for me, or let's make it when I get home? What would that be?
Speaker 2:Well, we're very British in our cooking, so lots of meat and potato dishes, some of the interesting stuff that we make. Sarah does something called Mitzah, which is I think it's actually a Nigella Lawson recipe but you just take a big skillet and you make a base of ground lamb or ground beef or whatever and then you pile on top of that like cheese and pizza toppings and lots of vegetables and it's very fast and easy and it's actually really delicious. That's kind of one of the things that I look forward to. And then anything on the barbecue that's where I get to help out. I love to grill you name it chicken wings or steak or pork or you know pretty much anything we stick it on the barbecue.
Speaker 2:We like to call ourselves meatitarians. Apologies to any of your listeners that are vegans or vegetarians. You're really going to be disgusted with my nutrition choices.
Speaker 1:If you have a link for that recipe, I'd love to share it with our listeners. We're getting people from all over the world and I think it's great when we highlight guests like yourself who talk about something that I never heard of it, and it'd be cool to kind of see what that would look like and maybe try to make it at home. If you have a link or anything like that, definitely love to share it with our listeners.
Speaker 2:I will. I will definitely send it your way.
Speaker 1:Thank you, you're doing a lot. You're doing a lot, sean. Are you using any wearables or apps? I mean, are you, or do you just stick to doing the elliptical and the video games? I mean, do you pay?
Speaker 2:attention to anything, or you just kind of do your thing.
Speaker 2:I think your listeners will, at this point, have figured that I don't do apps or any sort of wearable or anything like that. I already, you know, I already feel guilty enough as it is with my life choices. I don't need my phone telling me that I'm getting fat too. I yeah, as it is with my life choices. I don't need my phone telling me that I'm getting fat too. I yeah. No, not not interested in in in any of that. I don't even, as you know from my earlier, I don't even hold the things on the elliptical that tell you what your heart rate is when I'm working out, cause then I wouldn't be able to hold my controller. So I don't even know. You know what my heart rate is. So, luckily, when I go to see my doctor, she says everything's fine, so that's good.
Speaker 1:Let me ask you this what freedom do you feel not being connected to a wearable, because I think most of the people that I talk to they have a watch or they have an aura and you have nothing. What does that feel like, to not be so connected?
Speaker 2:I don't know Cause, I don't know the opposite. I've never had any sort of wearable, so I wouldn't know. But then I also don't do Facebook. I got off that about 10 years ago. It was kind of a it was kind of a toxic relationship that I had with Facebook where, you know, because I get to travel a lot for work, I was posting oh, I'm in, you know, I'm in LA, I'm in London. You know, sometimes I would be in Germany for Oktoberfest, you know it was, it was, you know it was. I had a lot of fun travel, and you know I would post.
Speaker 2:And then I think to myself I probably look like a jerk posting all this stuff because I travel so much. And then, but then I would see my friends and they're like, oh, we're on Hawaii on vacation. And I'm like, oh, you jerk, you're in Hawaii and I'm not. It was just. It was just like so hypocritically toxic that I'm like I have to get off this. I actually only do LinkedIn. That's the only social media that I do actively. I mean, that's a necessity for if you're doing any sort of business development. Well, that's. You know, that's pretty much it. I try not to, you know, have too much on my phone that I'm constantly looking at, so that at least I can be present when I'm having one of those decompression times announcement I'm taking off.
Speaker 1:You know I'm leaving. I'm leaving Facebook. I think a lot of people were kind of pissed off at me. They're like, well, did you delete me? And no, absolutely not. I did it for my mental health, because I felt that there was this obligatory type thing I had to do. Oh, your kid, you know, did a cartwheel. I got to love it. So I felt some pressure. I don't know if that makes sense, but that's kind of why I left, because I didn't want to be that connected and I didn't want to be making. I didn't want to have to say apologies for not responding, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2:No, I completely agree. That was another part of Facebook that I didn't like. I have no idea if people thought that I unfriended them or just dropped off the face of the earth, because Facebook was the only social media that I had outside of LinkedIn.
Speaker 1:And nobody's asking on LinkedIn what happened on Facebook. So I have no idea. People thought I maybe thought I died. I have no idea. On LinkedIn, I want to tell you what I hear and I want to see what you're hearing. I heard that you have to post once a week so that you show up in an algorithm and you should post things about for your case incident response. What are you doing and is that working for?
Speaker 2:you. That's actually something I do try to do actively. I'm not linked in premium, although I probably should be, and I don't have any set schedule. I would say I probably post about once a week reposting stuff that Lyra Recovery is doing or conferences I'm attending. If we do a white paper, I post that. I try not to. I get pretty good results when I post like hundreds of likes and views and thousands of views and hundreds of likes. So I think I'm doing it right without being on premium, because I'm not overdoing it, that's for sure. Just I don't want to push it with the people who follow me. I want to make sure that they're getting quality posts.
Speaker 1:I worked for two companies that had very strict social media rules for LinkedIn, I'm catching up because for a while there, for seven years I couldn't post anything with the company I worked at and then another company that I worked at With this podcast. Now I want to highlight people like you. I think I'm at a position in my seniority where I've done good things. I want to talk about people like you. I want to talk about what your journey is. I don't know if that resonates with my followers, but I'm kind of sticking with it because anything else, sean, wouldn't be authentic to me.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, when you're your own boss, you can do whatever you want, which is great. I've always had a boss, but luckily they never had any sort of what to post, what not to post rules. Neither of the organizations I worked at did neither. So I was kind of free there to do what I want. I've never pushed it. Don't talk about sex, religion or politics, and I think you're good.
Speaker 1:Let's talk about what's working right, looking at your background, and let's say and this happens a lot there is somebody in college right now, or they're going into a master's program, they're interested in cyber and they hear this episode, or one of the other IR professionals. If they were to write you after listening to the podcast and they said to you, sean, listen to your episode, it was great. How do I get into this? You know, what can I expect? What would you say to them?
Speaker 2:I probably have a couple important pieces of advice. The first one would be well, first of all, welcome. It's a growing industry, not just in IR, but you know privacy and cyber insurance and you know all the tertiary industries to incident response. It's growing, it's exciting. Number one thing, though definitely an incident response.
Speaker 2:It's not a nine to five job. You're going to be working Friday nights, you're going to be Saturdays, sundays You're going to be. If you're in business development, you're going to be traveling a lot. You know it's. It's a very, very intensive industry. Make sure you you know you take your time off and you know you relax when you can, but it's it's crisis response. So it's you know it's going to take up a lot of personal hours.
Speaker 2:The other, the other important thing I would say is I wouldn't, I wouldn't come into this industry and just do business development. I would come in and have some sort of operational quality that you bring to the industry and just do business development. I would come in and have some sort of operational quality that you bring to the table and then maybe branch into business development afterwards. Like you know, take that course in forensics, or you know, or that master's in forensics and you know, learn how to actually do the work that goes behind a case. Or, you know, get your law degree and be a breach coach. I would, you know, I would definitely have something that you bring to the operational side of the table. I wouldn't strictly come at it from a business development. I would just think that, you know, a strict business development role might get tiring after a while.
Speaker 1:Now that makes a lot of sense. And where were you when I was in school? Because I think that's great advice. When I was talking to one of your peers in the industry the other day, he kind of said the same thing and if you're not paying attention, you're not going to learn these things right. I like what you said there because you're kind of going behind the scenes of what it is and I think, as a business development person, if you're talking to a law firm or you're talking to an insurance company, you want to be able to talk about how these things are handled and what that looks like. I 100% agree with you and I never looked at it that way, but that's great advice, Sean.
Speaker 2:Thank you. Yeah, one of the most successful positions I ever had in incident response. I was managing director for Kivu, doing business development, and during my stint at the company about four years, we grew from five to $40 million in revenues and from 20 to 120 people, and one of the main reasons for that was is when I would go on sales calls as much as I could, I would bring a technical person with me that could answer all the questions about. You know what are you seeing in the field right now? What are the threat actors asking for? You know what ransomware what are you seeing in the field right now? What are the threat actors asking for? You know what ransomware strains are you seeing?
Speaker 2:Because that's what you know the breach coaches and the claims people that's what they wanted to talk about. They didn't want to talk about what I was doing or what our new product line was or anything like that. They wanted to talk about what we were seeing in the trenches, and that's when we were the most successful is when there was an operational person, along with all the business development meetings. So that's part of the reason why I made that suggestion earlier and you want to maybe go back to. You know what you started with, or you know you don't get locked out of. You know high level management roles that require you know actual experience in claims management or breach coach work, or you know whatever on this.
Speaker 1:I had longevity in roles until I got in cyber. Then it was like I was here one year, here two years, here one year, here, two years. Do you think that's kind of the norm in cyber to kind of jump around to either elevate or because you're going to learn a new skill set?
Speaker 2:I have a totally different take on it, which hopefully doesn't sound completely negative, but it's been my personal experience that, as private equity has gotten more involved in incident response and buying up companies, and, you know, just making you know profitability, the be all and end all of a company, that you're either forced out or life is made very, very uncomfortable for you after two years if some, you know, absolute pie in the sky, targets aren't met. You know cyber is very cyclical. You can have holiday seasons, which can cut the claims in half, you can have. You can have Russia invading the Ukraine, which will cut claims in half. You can have, you know, arrests that scare the heck out of hackers and, you know, cut claims in half.
Speaker 2:And all of these things can, you know, affect your revenues and that's just not something that I've found that a private equity firm, any of them, really understands, and it's just, I think that's probably one of the big churns. And then, of course, all of the capital that's flooding into IR and all the new startups. I think that contributes a lot to churn as well too, and I think some of it's probably. You know, somebody had a dump truck of cash driven up to their front door and they, they couldn't say no, it's, it's, uh, yeah, if you look at, if you look at my resume, there's, there's, there's a bit of movement as well too. All of them made logical sense at the time. But you know, I I always say I'm, I'm looking for my forever home, kind of like a puppy. But you know, at least right now, the way I are is it's very, very difficult to find, unless, of course, you start your own firm up, and then that has its own set of challenges.
Speaker 1:That makes a lot of sense and I think, yeah, the whole cyber industry is definitely different than consulting or other industry type organizations. Yeah, that's spot on. Are you seeing any uptake and breaches? Is there anything unique that's coming across your desk?
Speaker 2:I'm definitely seeing an uptake and breaches, but that's probably just related to the usual upswing that you have coming out of the Christmas holidays. What we do, the recovery and remediation portion, where when claims start to slow down, it's compounded for us because companies want to use we work exclusively through incident response firms like Booz Allen and Kroll and Erete and Solis, ones I'm sure you're familiar with. We work through them, so they obviously want to put their people to work first. We work through them. So you know they obviously want to put their people to work first, so any slowdown is compounded for us exponentially.
Speaker 2:So where you know people will see cases starting to pick up around February, we won't start to see cases pick up until March, but then you know it'll continue on and upwards until, you know, probably the summer. And then there's that summer break that the hackers seem to take. I have no idea I'm making this up, but I think they probably just have lots and lots of money and there's that Lamborghini they really want to go buy and enjoy, so off they go to their Black Sea mansion. I'm making that up completely, but in my head that's what they're doing.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. Any professional or personal goals for 2025? And we're into the fourth month. Whatever it is, Sean, you got to get on it.
Speaker 2:No, true, you sound like my boss. I mean, my professional and personal goal for 2025 is to have a job at the end of 2025. As the leader of a business unit, revenues obviously fall to me, so making sure we're hitting our targets is is my number one goal right now. Just making our investors happy, making sure we're bringing in enough profitability that they want us to continue on in 2026 that's great.
Speaker 1:Any personal goals?
Speaker 2:yeah, more working out, yeah that's okay definitely more video games right yes, definitely More video games, right, yes, definitely more video games. And working out and want to get to that 100% on Red Dead Redemption.
Speaker 1:This was great. I had a great time and it's always good to have professionals like yourself coming here and kind of give a behind the scenes. There's Live Recovery and then there's Sean, and then we get to see what Sean's about. And I think today and you can correct me if you'd like, but I think a lot of people like authenticity, they want to work with good people, they want to work with nice people, I agree.
Speaker 2:I agree. I've heard that a lot from my clients and others that you know they work with me because they enjoy it. So, yeah, no, I agree.
Speaker 1:My website is backups. With Sean's permission, I'll put the band pictures up because I think that's really unique and you know, again, we do these things and we have some downtime and it's good to listen to music. If you're okay with it, I will post them on my website.
Speaker 2:Excellent. The band thanks you as well. By the way, our name is Career Suicide.
Speaker 1:That's a great name.
Speaker 2:Who came up with that? I think that was Chris D'Anno of Mullen Coughlin. I think I stole it from his previous band. Oh, that's awesome.
Speaker 1:Well, sean, I thank you for coming here today. We'll get this episode uploaded because I know a lot of folks are excited about learning about incident response and all the great things that you folks are doing. Please remember to subscribe to our podcast on various platforms, including Apple, spotify, iheartradio and many more. Visit our website at wwwtechexecwellnesscom. Thank you for tuning in and take care.
